Marius de Romanus

“I live lies because I cannot endure the weakness of anger, and I cannot admit the irrationality of love.”

– Anne Rice, Blood and Gold

In the universe of Anne Rice’s Vampire Chronicles, and in the small social group known as the Coven of the Articulate, archetypal pedestals are noted, upon which certain characters stand. Lestat is, of course, the ‘fool’ character who plays to his own tune and inevitably winds up in trouble which affects them all. Armand is the silent sentinel character, strong and reliable, in spite of his tendency towards quiet solitude. Even Pandora fits an archetype of quiet wanderer; her tale so steeped in mystery that she is seen in so many rural cultures as a goddess.

Marius is by no means the eldest of the ancients, though, for a long time, he was perceived as such by younger vampires, such as Lestat, in their respective quests to find the truth of their immortality and the stories which preceded them. In fact, by rights, Khayman, ought to be the leader, the rule-maker, the father to them all, as he is the eldest, following Enkil and Akasha’s demises. Maharet and Mekare, though they both are fine adjudicators, a grand jury to whom wronged blood drinkers can turn when they need vengeance, are too old and terrifying to offer true, parental guidance. It is a given fact, however, that Marius is the disciplinarian of the society. His mortal age before becoming a blood drinker, blended with his worldly knowledge, his tranquil demeanour, and his tall, commanding presence, easily compound into a paternal façade that is both welcoming, and trusted.

Through the early novels of the series, Marius de Romanus was precisely this figure in the eyes of the main protagonist, Lestat, and thus, in the gaze of the audience as well. He mentored his pupil in unspoken rules which Lestat then proceeded to etch into his moral code, he cared for the eldest of his kind with a dogged, unwavering loyalty which, even when tested, was never truly broken, sacrificing his own contentment and liberation for the sake of their sanctity; and, when the world of the blood drinkers threatened to crash down around them, despite his anguish, he argued vociferously for appropriate decisions to be made.  Moreover, when their lives were restructured, he set in place rules for them to live by. He argued the necessity for these rules with his one-time student, Lestat, and he granted this immortal hellion his disapproving gaze when Lestat then chose to break all of those rules in The Tale of the Body Thief.

Marius, as a character, was steady and unwavering, entirely reliable. A figure to which a younger character may turn in times of strife and be offered unlimited guidance and the gentle approval that one could come to expect of a father. But, as much of a cliché as it may seem, the phrase ‘still waters run deep’ is perfectly applicable to what this build-up created of our paternal Marius. It stands to reason that somewhere, beneath those red-velvet folds of affection and behind that guiding hand, lay a darker face. For there is no such thing as a perfect individual and this almost-perfect immortal man was bound to have some hidden flaws that he had painstakingly kept from the world he was trying to mould to his approval.

“No matter how long we exist, we have our memories. Points in time which time itself cannot erase. Suffering may distort my backward glances, but even to suffering, some memories will yield nothing of their beauty or their splendor. Rather they remain as hard as gems.” 

– Anne Rice, Blood and Gold

Marius’ novel, Blood and Gold, was received with a mixed reaction. It can be argued that he was not a ‘real’ character, bearing dimensions and indicative of a shifting, continuously altering personality, until his story was told from his own lips. Until he could, within the secure boundaries of a patient stranger’s sympathy, reveal his own flaws as he knew he possessed them. Own up to them and try to decipher why he was, after all these centuries, still on his own.

Placing the Master into a first person perspective voice altered the dynamic between Marius and the reader quite drastically. The character slipped into his own mind and beckoned the audience to follow. His mind which, up to this point in the series, had been relatively filtered by the subjective nature of his storytellers, his companions. It is this novel which enlightens one to the self-assurance, the intellect, and also, the raging temper which is coded into him. The impetus which drove him to leave Pandora in a fury, to ignore the plight (what he saw as his own failure) in his child, Armand, to risk losing Bianca, and finally to force Lestat from his sight.

Numerous reviewers have been caught in the trap between first person narrative and reported speech from the lips of Lestat, Armand, even Pandora. It has been said that Blood and Gold is a wholly unnatural change in the character of Marius, that he completely spun to show an angry mask in the place of his usually serene countenance. That he is too devious, oftentimes, cruel. However, it is clear that the strains of this behaviour were present even before he spoke for himself.

Marius and Pandora from the exquisite fanpic artists, Dany&Dany

To be specific on the clear discrepancies between stories told by his companions and then again from his own lips, Armand describes Marius as being loving, nurturing and paternal… Marius, later, describes whipping Armand for bad behaviour. Clearly Armand comes to associate love and protectiveness with what he receives at Marius hands, those times which both combined affection and discipline. We must also then consider Armand’s familial situation and further background. A, drunken, rambunctious father and a near-miss life of slavery will make a masochist of anyone, at least one eager to please and be only with the man who rescued him. Utter devotion.  Marius saved him from sexual slavery, of course he will imagine only divinity at his maker’s hands. Marius, of course, perpetuated this belief in his soon-to-be child. He admits to wanting a person he can mould to his designs, prepare the boy to receive the blood. And he goes about doing so in finite detail. Beginning with creating of himself as a God in Amadeo’s eyes. The name itself means to be Beloved of God.

If the reader should opt for one word to describe Marius de Romanus, it ought to be self-assured. Not arrogant, most certainly not; he can frequently be seen bemoaning his actions, second-guessing his behaviour and reprimanding himself for letting his fury get the better of him. He is quick to anger in the face of his pride and his response to discomfort seems to be to pick up and leave rather than confront. He has a history of neglect. He left Pandora, he was forced to leave Armand (though when the opportunity arose, he did not choose to return to him), Bianca left him after he promised a distraught Pandora that he would leave the courtesan in a heartbeat if she willed it, and he forced Lestat from his company and tutelage. Always under the guise of protecting Those Who Must Be Kept. However, he never fails to admit to himself in the end, that he went away out of pride.

“And so this young one, this young one whom I had so loved, I had to forsake, no matter how broken my heart, no matter how lonely my soul, no matter how bruised my intellect and spirit.” 

– Anne Rice, Blood and Gold

 

The true tragedy is that Marius IS paternal and affectionate. And because of this, when he does eventually leave, which he always does, the consequences are so much heavier for the ones he leaves behind.

The neglectful, abandon-driven side of Marius was never the fine core of the character’s being. He has forever had this glorious manner of swooping in like a white knight and rescuing those who need him from certain death or worse. His manic mannerisms of painting feverishly when things start to balloon slightly out of his control are one of the aspects of him that create a sense of adoration in the readership so devoted to him.

Even past Blood and Gold Marius remains a father to those that need one, a cold reprimanding guardian, and a loving Master.

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  • Reply Suzanne van Rooyen August 20, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    Marius is my favourite vampire by Rice. Blood and Gold is definitely my favourite work by her. I read some of the Amanda Pike reviews – she makes some valid points but they’re somewhat bogged down by vitriol :/

    • Reply Lafaeyette August 20, 2012 at 12:23 pm

      I am in two minds about Marius, but his negatives are quite outweighed by his good points. I feel the Pike reviews of Rice are biased… She has decided quite adamantly that the earlier works are the only things worth reading and this opinion colours all her later reviews. I cannot stand behind the opinion of someone who dislikes Blood Canticle.

      • Reply Suzanne van Rooyen August 20, 2012 at 12:37 pm

        A little bias of your own there 😉

        • Reply Jaystavene February 24, 2013 at 8:34 pm

          We all have favorites, in anything where a opinion is possible,, we all prefer,,, certain atributes,, blond blue eyed,, thin,,, whatnot,,,, I for the matter like and enjoy Anne Rice’s writing and find the progress and evolution of her characters to be ,,, epic,,, I enjoy long series,,,when people can share a alternate universe,,in such vivid detail,,so delicious! I might prefer a tiny thing here or there, but you know what? I did not write it,,I do not have such a mind, or imagination,, I admit this,,, if I did ,,,I hope I might have such a talent for sharing it,, (my eloquence is lacking as is my grammar,,) uhm this said,,, If you want a beautiful fantasy, with torrid love ,,and fantastic characters,, you will love Anne Rice’s writing,,, flat out,,unabashedly,,, WOW!

          • Lafaeyette February 24, 2013 at 8:37 pm

            Hear hear! 🙂

  • Reply Lafaeyette August 20, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    I never claimed not to suffer from a little biascitis 😉
    But I do still maintain that Blood Canticle is exquisite (despite the presence of Mona Mayfair) and well worthy of praise… One star reviews are unnecessary.

    • Reply rozy March 12, 2014 at 9:08 am

      Why was Mona Mayfair bad?

      • Reply Carmen Dominique March 12, 2014 at 9:11 am

        She struck me as vapid and annoying. I will be writing an article on her soon

        • Reply Rozyve May 14, 2014 at 9:10 am

          Oh I would so like to read it! Did you read the Mayfair Chronicles? Most people liked her better then. I thought it was mean of her cousins to call her Wander Slut.

          • Carmen Dominique May 20, 2014 at 9:28 pm

            I did read those books. Loved them. Still disliked Mona though 😛

        • Reply The Light's Bane June 5, 2014 at 11:53 am

          Oh you disliked her even back then. I didn’t read them much. I find it hard to like rich characters unless thy have a personality beyond their privilege- that is why the vampires were likable bc they didn’t let it define them. Having money is pretty far away from my world, that’s why I couldn’t finish the first Vampire Diaries book. Elena seemed like a spoiled brat. I’ve heard too many real upper middle class jerks in my life bemoaning “welfare rats” never realizing they are talking to one and I don’t fit any of their stereotypes.

  • Reply latisha August 20, 2012 at 6:52 pm

    Blood and Gold is one of my favorite Anne Rice novels. She is an exquisite writer, and I enjoy her writings immensely.

    • Reply Lafaeyette August 20, 2012 at 7:03 pm

      I concur 🙂 Hence the post. I found Amanda Pike’s reviews to be disrespectful and rude.

  • Reply monnanon August 20, 2012 at 6:56 pm

    to be honest i really couldnt stand marius but armand was the first book i read and i think that coloured my perception. I grew to like him tho especially through his own book. Hes a brilliant multi-dimensional character

    • Reply Lafaeyette August 20, 2012 at 7:05 pm

      I will agree. However, I found myself disliking Marius only after I read Blood and Gold… Not because of the writing of the novel, but because of the less savoury sides of Marius which were revealed. I still adore him as a character (I think he is well-crafted and multi-layered, which I love), but his behaviour towards other characters which I love offends me.

      • Reply Jaystavene February 24, 2013 at 8:40 pm

        What behavior towards other characters? I think that,,that is what makes him complex. We only hurt those we care about,,,people we do not care about are not worth the bother,,, so Marious, needs to have flaws,,be somewhat human,,, and yes I enjoy him being less then perfect. I get a small kick out of the stoic Roman who is timeless,,should be all knowing,, but still making the human foolish mistakes in relationships with others,,, still after a millenia searching for family and love,,, maybe if we lived so long we would also? (a sad horrible fact perhaps) I like that Anne expressed being “immortal” does not make anyone infallible,,, or even wise,, hmm akin to intelligence vs intellect …

  • Reply chidori bird August 20, 2012 at 7:45 pm

    I actually read Blood and Gold before I read The Vampire Armand, and fell in love with Marius. I agree with your description of him as prideful, but what I identified most with his character was his own self loathing and inability to apologize. I feel as though Marius is the vampire most like myself.

    • Reply Lafaeyette August 20, 2012 at 8:35 pm

      He is, perhaps, the most human of them. Including even Louis.

      • Reply Nina March 1, 2013 at 12:18 am

        True.
        I agree.

  • Reply Ryohei August 20, 2012 at 7:58 pm

    What i love about Ann Rice’s vampires is that there is more to them. They are not just blood suckers. And whenever I read one of her novels, its like I can hear her characters voices in my head. Her vampires still show emotions and interact as if they were still humans. I personally like the character Marius as there is a fatherly aura around him. A father who usually abandons his “child” but a father nonetheless.

    • Reply Lafaeyette August 20, 2012 at 8:36 pm

      Agreed. As Richard and I wrote Bought in Blood, we spent a lot of thought and time on the topic of creating ‘human’ vampires. Of course, Miss Rice paved the perfect path for such an ideal. But vampires are only vampires to me if they perfectly combine humanity and monstrosity.

  • Reply Karen Lackner August 20, 2012 at 8:10 pm

    Lestat had been my favorite, up until the point when I had read Blood and Gold. The depth of the character is amazing. Why was he chosen? His compassion to ‘save and protect’ Those Who Must Be Kept… He loves deeply and has a compulsion to protect. Armand, Pandora, Lestat, and ultimately the entire coven, even to his own detriment and loneliness. How is ‘that behavior’ offensive ?

    All of her vamps (it seems) eventually would leave whoever they were with, at some point, for whatever reason, that is if they weren’t loner’s to begin with. Either to wander, to go underground, whatever… After a century or so, I suspect I would get a little bored, too. But sooner or later, there would always be a happy little reunion. Well, except for Marius. His true love IS Pandora.

    I feel sorry for his character. He has to live with the immortality of heartbreak.

    • Reply Lafaeyette August 20, 2012 at 8:39 pm

      Do not misunderstand me. I adore Marius, although he is not my favourite of them. But I do feel that, where the others will leave one another due to a sheer inability to accept one another’s presence any longer, Marius leaves out of rage. Usually this means he can no longer go back, having made the one he left. In the case of Pandora, he did not find her for millenia…

  • Reply Marilyn August 21, 2012 at 3:05 pm

    Thank you for giving words to how I feel about Marius! There used to be a forum for discussions like this but it has died (actually its still there, just no one posts, so it’s “undead” :). It adds so much to the books for me to discuss like this and you’ve really nailed Marius! The first AR book I read was Armand and I fell in love with their relationship. Didn’t find anything like it in the other vampire chronicles but loved them anyway. I am prideful like Marius and a devoted follower of nothing out of a need to believe faithfully in something like Armand (not easy when you are an atheist, but I believe strongly in that).

    • Reply Lafaeyette August 21, 2012 at 6:25 pm

      I also fell in love with Marius through Armand’s eyes 😀 And I do tend to get somewhat prideful and easily angered as well 😛

      • Reply Rozyve May 14, 2014 at 9:12 am

        Can someone hate their self and also be prideful?

        • Reply Carmen Dominique May 14, 2014 at 2:51 pm

          Easily. Self-loathing is not always a conscious action.

          • Hook in Mouth May 18, 2014 at 8:25 am

            Does Lestat hate himself do you think? I don’t think he does, he said to Gretchen that he doesn’t, but what do you think?

            What if they do consciously hate themselves? Maybe they don’t know they are prideful?

  • Reply Marilyn August 21, 2012 at 3:08 pm

    PS too bad the artists and filmakers cannot get the characters right! Marius is 40 something with shoulder length blond hair and while he is probably angular and graceful he is not foppish (thank you, but no, mr. Perez.)

    • Reply Lafaeyette August 21, 2012 at 6:25 pm

      I know, I had the same problem with the Interview with the Vampire!

      • Reply Hook in Mouth May 18, 2014 at 8:39 am

        I liked the acting in that movie but both actors that played Lestat and Louis were so off in the looks department. I should change my name to Shallow Asshole.

    • Reply Hook in Mouth May 18, 2014 at 8:34 am

      Oh wow I didn’t know Marius was in his 40s. I thought 30s.

      • Reply Carmen Dominique May 20, 2014 at 9:32 pm

        Oh yes… I blame most of his lesser-appreciated actions on a midlife crisis 😉

        I’m just teasing, of course. His age is the source of his incredible calm in the face of some things, and his “impotent”, selfish raging in the face of others. He is a sublime character. And yet I find myself miserably torn between loving and hating him.

  • Reply Susie Stephens August 23, 2012 at 1:36 am

    Have not read Blood and Gold yet. I read her books in order that she rights them. Am on book 5 of The Vampire Chronicles. Memnoch the Devil. But in previous books I found Marius to be very soulful and caring of his vampire clan. Though can’t always be near them due to his own struggle within him.

    • Reply Lafaeyette August 23, 2012 at 7:20 am

      You will certainly enjoy the rest as well… How do you find the character of Lestat so far?

  • Reply elizabeth falcon February 24, 2013 at 8:03 pm

    i am reading this novel as we speak and i find reading difficult sometimes cause i have a reading comprehension disorder, however i love marius and he explains in details everything that is going on in his story, this is a awesome book…and i will continue the stories as i am reading slow but will complete all anne rice’s stories..i love her..

    • Reply Lafaeyette February 24, 2013 at 8:06 pm

      You will enjoy the remaining novels just as much, trust me :).

    • Reply Hook in Mouth May 18, 2014 at 8:41 am

      I feel for you. I’m lucky I have good reading comprehension but I have dyscalculia so I have number comprehension issues. It sucks to have trouble with something most people are fine at.

  • Reply John February 24, 2013 at 8:09 pm

    I’ve all ways love Ann wighting wish at time’s the live of vamp’s were true wish to be more than a fan, power is not evil the heart fof the wilder is what control’s the zen.

  • Reply Sumiko Saulson February 24, 2013 at 8:20 pm

    This is a very well-written and insightful blog article, I thank you for sharing it. I haven’t read Marius yet and it is definitely on my reading list – but she is absolutely correct about changes in voice and perspective. We’re studying that a good deal in school right now, as they have us reading Zora Neale Hurston’s “Their Eyes Were Watching God”, and we are asked to study the literary criticisms of the work as well as the work itself. Well, in the 70s there was criticism of the author’s choice to change from first person to third person omniscient in the middle of the second chapter. Alice Walker defended that she did this on purpose – to communicate the internal nature of a woman’s voice. Regardless of whether or not one agrees with her assessment, it is undeniably true than an author communicates something with her (or his) choice of character voice. Indeed, we saw the same thing with Interview and The Vampire Lestat – as we saw Lestat in Interview entirely through the eyes of Louis, and cloaked heavily in all of his biases. When we move over to Lestat’s point of view we are getting a very different picture – yet, it is not inconsistent, rather, it is a sign of complex writing.

    • Reply Lafaeyette February 24, 2013 at 8:23 pm

      Well, in much the same vein as poetry, prose writing is an expression of the soul, a work of art which allows one to bare all in the face of whatever adversity one struggles with in every day life. Thus I theorise that if we can switch voices, ignore grammar and pucntuate at will in poetry, we should be able to switch voice in prose without too much criticism.

  • Reply Sumiko Saulson February 24, 2013 at 8:22 pm

    By “she” I mean you. I just reposted my comment from Anne Rice’s page but neglected to say so. But yes, she reposted your on her fan page about 24 minutes ago.

  • Reply Thomas Fitz February 25, 2013 at 4:00 am

    For me, Marius is the eternal parent and secret keeper. He loves unconditionally and reveals nothing even to those he feels close to. I do belive however that there is a certain joint nutrality in the efects he places on the world. His obsession to be known externally that is, none of his lovers get to see beneath the skin, even Pandora. Whatever comes of his need to hold his cards close to his chest, he cares deeply and without malice.

    • Reply Lafaeyette February 25, 2013 at 6:59 pm

      He is a superb character. It is because I love him that I get so angry with him.

  • Reply Devika Fernando February 27, 2013 at 3:16 pm

    As with your other character reviews, you have managed to sink your writer’s teeth (or pen… heck, one can’t sink a keyboard, can one?! 😉 ) right into the heart of marius.
    i have to admit, i never really grew to like him. that doesn’t mean that i don’t like him either. what i mean to say is: i respect him and i like anne putting a character like him into the novel and i think he is definitely needed. i even find him fascinating but i don’t like his way of “solving” things by abandoning them.
    “blood and gold” is the only book in the vampire chronicles that i haven’t read twice because i just wasn’t so keen on hearing marius’ story in his own voice. but reading your review now, i think it’s high time to give him a chance again and admit to myself that though i don’t necessarily like him, i find him fascinating in his very own way…

    • Reply Thomas Fitz February 27, 2013 at 3:28 pm

      Very well said, I’ve been, well campaining for want of a better word for some time to get people not to like Marius but to give him a chance I think you put it quite well.

    • Reply Lafaeyette February 27, 2013 at 4:29 pm

      I loved Marius, but I found myself to be truly disappointed in him. I thought those that he abandoned deserved so much better. However, I can’t ‘dislike’ him, I can’t dislike any of Anne’s vampires. They are all loves of my life. ALL of them :).

      • Reply Rozyve May 14, 2014 at 9:14 am

        Even Nicolas?

        • Reply Carmen Dominique May 14, 2014 at 2:51 pm

          Yes, even Nicky.

          • Hook in Mouth May 22, 2014 at 9:39 am

            What was likable about him?

          • A May 31, 2014 at 7:47 am

            Roderick Hill. He put a spin on his role as Nicolas which made him much more appealing than the morose mad violinist. Also the actor is a gentleman in his non-acting life. I went out after the show and had a chat with him. He is a genuine kind soul that I would have liked to spent more time with.

  • Reply Thomas Fitz February 27, 2013 at 3:30 pm

    This was a little something I wrote after first reading Blood and Gold,

    Marius.

    A beautiful creature of magical light,
    Snatched from his mother’s hands,

    Without warning or alarm or goodbye,

    A son though man, my dark angel.

    The protector of the ancient ones,

    True, spirited and yearning for peace,

    A lover of those powerful few,

    A loving heart of a killer, my killer.

    Never even, what dies was innocence,

    Not human for decades, how peaceful,

    A diet of blood for eternity,

    A cemented block in timeless age.

    My lover, my priest, my teacher,

    A tormented soul of the soulless,

    Laughing screams of children,

    An immortal with mortal dreams.

    • Reply Lafaeyette February 27, 2013 at 4:26 pm

      That is truly beautiful!

    • Reply Devika Fernando February 28, 2013 at 5:02 am

      wonderful character study of marius

      • Reply A May 31, 2014 at 7:53 am

        Beautiful love poetry, he will probably answer Thomas before he answers me. So lovely, thank you for sharing.

    • Reply Hook in Mouth June 4, 2014 at 5:37 am

      I liked it too. I like seeing shining bits of the poets soul in their poetry.

  • Reply Nina March 1, 2013 at 12:26 am

    I am a fan!

    • Reply Lafaeyette March 1, 2013 at 6:33 am

      😀

  • Reply A May 20, 2014 at 10:09 pm

    Speak up, Marius! Your silence is maddening! Why don’t you comment on these pages? Why do you sit in silence while others postulate without knowledge of you? Marius, I implore you, say something! You never do what I ask, you never reveal yourself in a public setting. Are you still clinging to those old laws? Nobody believes it’s real anyway! Say something!
    And don’t just say “Hello.” and leave it at that this time.
    Even if I love that you have a sense of humor.

    • Reply Carmen Dominique May 20, 2014 at 10:13 pm

      Ohhhh…. So much I want to say… But he’ll just get cross and refuse to answer. *pouts*

    • Reply Hook in Mouth May 22, 2014 at 6:39 am

      WRONG! I know you’re real!

    • Reply Hook in Mouth May 22, 2014 at 11:27 am

      Maybe Marius doesn’t want to be BREAKING DA LAW! http://youtu.be/L397TWLwrUU

    • Reply M March 14, 2015 at 3:00 pm

      silence- maddening, hmmm? I see well, from what I gather……. You hear me, even if I do not speak.

      • Reply Carmen Dominique March 14, 2015 at 3:03 pm

        …….*whistles innocently*

      • Reply A. March 15, 2015 at 9:57 pm

        If I hear you now and then, and it is only my imagination, I still cling to each resounding syllable as if it were an answer to my prayers. If I ignore you and it turned out to be your voice, that, I think, would be worse.

  • Reply A May 20, 2014 at 10:14 pm

    I am sure the hostess of this site would love to hear from you too. Even if you are a douchenozzle.

    • Reply Carmen Dominique May 20, 2014 at 10:17 pm

      …That’s a sure-fire way to get him to respond…. Not that I disagree… Mind you…

    • Reply Hook in Mouth May 22, 2014 at 10:42 pm

      Why did you try to kill yourself because of a hat?

      • Reply A May 31, 2014 at 7:21 am

        Not dead.

        • Reply Hook in Mouth June 4, 2014 at 5:15 am

          I know. I read the Vampire Armand.

  • Reply Hook in Mouth May 22, 2014 at 6:46 am

    So you think talking smack is gunna wanna make him talk? You need to come up with better insults than “douchenozzle”. It’s like you’re a teenager or something… oh wait.

    • Reply Carmen Dominique June 8, 2014 at 7:21 pm

      And here I was thinking that “douchenozzle” is such a sublime insult 😉

  • Reply Hook in Mouth May 22, 2014 at 10:41 pm

    I want to know why Marius was pessimistic in The Vampire Armand and what his pet peeves of 2014 are.

    • Reply A May 31, 2014 at 7:15 am

      His pet peeves are probably my insisting on addressing him in a public forum, and as always, he hates to be mocked. Hence; “douchenozzle”. Though I can see this is probably working against me and not for me in this case.
      I think he waffles between being a pessimist and being optimistic about the world, but ultimately I think that you have to be optimistic to last two thousand years. You have to be willing to look ahead and not worry about what gets lost, or disappointments.

      • Reply Hook in Mouth June 4, 2014 at 5:34 am

        What is there to be disappointed about when you have forever?

        • Reply A June 6, 2014 at 5:03 am

          Loss mainly. It’s more about expectation management than about how much time you have. Set realistic goals and expectations, understand that setbacks and losses are normal. Plan subsequent moves, and tackle tasks in stages.

          • Carmen Dominique June 8, 2014 at 7:24 pm

            Oh wow… Something to be pessimistic when you have forever? Well, we know Marius has traits which never change, and, ultimately, this leads to the same bad decisions, the same arguments, the same incessant doubts. I think when you come to experience this faults in life over and over again you can learn to expect them, and know they will occur, and resent that fact. He may be able on some nurture-vs-nature level to change, but he won’t and he knows it.

  • Reply Hook in Mouth May 23, 2014 at 7:57 am

    My theory on Marius is that he listened to Limp Bizkit and lost faith in humanity. I have to admit I can’t blame him.

  • Reply Hook in Mouth May 24, 2014 at 9:18 am

    Did they really have to use a balding guy with short dark hair as Marius and commit the unforgivable sin of putting the fang teeth on the wrong teeth like in Tru Blood? I assume the fangs would be on the canine teeth.

    • Reply A May 31, 2014 at 7:18 am

      I laughed out loud at that movie. I laughed all the way through it, much to the chagrin of the audience in the public theatre. There was so much more wrong with ‘Queen of the Damned’ the movie than where they put the fangs or how badly the cast everyone.

      • Reply Hook in Mouth June 4, 2014 at 5:30 am

        That is entertaining to imagine. I spent the whole movie yelling at the tv everything they changed and pissing off everybody in our duplex. I think I could laugh now but I refuse to watch it again.

      • Reply Hook in Mouth June 4, 2014 at 5:32 am

        A. can you make a Vampire Chronicles copypasta? I want to make one but it will suck if I do it. http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/navy-seal-copypasta

        • Reply The Light's Bane June 5, 2014 at 12:23 pm

          Here is my attempt-

          What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little mortal? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class on The Devil’s Road, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on other covens, and I have over 300000 confirmed kills. I am trained in Killing Gift warfare and I’m the top vampire in the entire Coven of the Articulate. You are nothing to me but just another bloodbag. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before in the night, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over a letter? Think again, mortal. As we speak I am using my Mind Gift and your address is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, bloodbag. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, human. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven thousand ways, and that’s just with my bare fangs. Not only am I extensively trained in vampire combat, but I have access to an entire arsenal of velvet frock coats and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the world, you weak mortal. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking pen. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn fool. I will rain fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, human.

          • A June 6, 2014 at 3:42 am

            … ?

            Is this like pony girls?

      • Reply The Light's Bane June 5, 2014 at 12:36 pm

        Did you really believe that Lestat had gone to heaven and hell?

        • Reply A June 6, 2014 at 4:41 am

          No.
          But let me put this more plainly. It wasn’t over a hat. It wasn’t even over the relic really, it was not about Heaven or Hell, or the Devil, which by the way does not exist, and three centuries of distorted chants cannot change that, nor will Lestat attesting that his eyeball came from the Devil.

          And no, It was not even about “God”. It was about humanity. Armand looked into the face of ‘God’ in that instant, and God wasn’t this distant glass paradise, God was not some disembodied spirit to whom to appeal for forgiveness or submit to punishment. God was human.

          In that moment it was suddenly and perfectly clear the message of that face: God was one with humanity, in the very particles of the world.

          Submitting Armand’s soul in perfect happiness, embracing the light of the sun with the light of that realization, he flew into the sky, a gesture -not- just a demonstration of faith, but an /expression / of faith.

          It was not as pleasant outcome as it was going into it, and it won’t be repeated.

          The phrase: “It seemed like a good idea at the time,” comes to mind.

          • The Light's Bane June 6, 2014 at 5:39 am

            Does Lestat believe that he has gone to Heaven and Hell still? Why would his eye be out of his socket? Listen I was being purposely obtuse with that question (why did you kill yourself for a hat) and it was rude. I’m glad you survived and found some two brave souls that you love so much. Benji was 12, yes? That is pretty young. I thought Marius was against turning children.

          • The Light's Bane June 7, 2014 at 2:21 am

            If there is some divine spark in humans why are we so easily maimed, deformed and diseased? There is nothing godly about human vulnerability.

          • A June 8, 2014 at 5:42 am

            I suppose you can look at it several ways:

            God is imperfect, therefore the world is filled with imperfection, or,

            you can consider that perfection is not defined the same way by you as it is by God, and that what you consider imperfections are part of a larger picture, or,

            you can assume that God would see it as a flaw but being imperfect is just a part of what life is about, and you are meant to be as you are, just as all things…

            and then of course there is the thought that there is no divinity and it is all just so much dust.

            My thought on it is that divinity is not about being perfect. It’s not a spark that exist in a world made of dust, it’s about the cosmos as a living entity.

            And really, when I think about it, it’s a choice of perception too; God is everything, or God is nothing.

      • Reply The Light's Bane June 6, 2014 at 5:17 am

        What do you mean pony girls? You mean My Little Pony? This is some meme that you copy and paste of a guy making outlandish claims because an internet commenter pissed him off and now there is lots of different versions of it so I thought there should be a vampire one.

        • Reply A June 6, 2014 at 7:57 am

          Ahhh I understand now. It made about as much sense to me as the explanation of ‘pony girls’ did for me when someone explained it.

          I can’t really explain it to you because I have yet to understand. It has something to do with pretending, and ponies, and a social dynamic that makes me uncomfortable.

          Now what you said makes more sense, but it is still strange to see it here on a forum dedicated to Padrone Marius.

          • The Light's Bane June 7, 2014 at 1:38 am

            You’re right. Sorry Marius you deserve better. You deserve poetry. It seemed like a good idea at the time but everything seems amusing and funny on trazodone.

          • The Light's Bane June 7, 2014 at 12:14 pm

            I do think the Vampire Chronicles is very meme worthy though.

        • Reply A June 6, 2014 at 9:34 am

          I don’t know what Lestat believes. Probably thinks it did happen, he got very upset when people wrote that they thought he was having a nightmare/dream.

          Re: Benji… yeah that was just messed up. I guess Marius thought Armand was fragile because of what he had done going into the sun over the veil, and imagined his relationship with the mortals as mortals would harm him.

          Marius contradicts himself often. He was intrigued by the child vampires he met before. They had thought it was ideal to create a vampire before a human personality had emerged and rooted its self. On the other hand, speaking of Armand he talked about his greatest crime against his own kind because of the fragile age he had turned him.

          Maybe he had thought 12 and 17 year old vampires might get along like happy playmates. 😛 Maybe he hoped to save Armand from the harm of losing them, maybe both. It was for Armand he made them vampires.

          • The Light's Bane June 7, 2014 at 2:01 am

            Do you think a child vampires are ideal? I was still playing with Barbies at age 12, I don’t think I would have been mature enough to be a vampire. Not that some 12 yr olds aren’t mature for their age. How are Sybelle and Benji now? Is God one with vampires too? How or why do vampires and humans have different personalities? In two of the Chronicles vampire hair is used as chains. That doesn’t make sense to me because if the hair is so strong how can you cut it? Maybe its only strong if its woven a certain way. Do you both get along like happy playmates?

          • The Light's Bane June 7, 2014 at 2:06 am

            Why would loving mortals hurt you? Because they will die?

          • A June 8, 2014 at 7:02 am

            I don’t think that child vampires are ideal.
            Vampire perception is described as detached, and not as sympathetic to the living.
            Assuming that is true, a child who has never developed a sense of morality might become even more demanding and selfish.

            It’s a position centered on a generalisation though, not the reason I would give against it. Some children have a keen sense of other people and sympathise and feel empathy more readily than others.
            I would be against it for the reason that a child in human social constructs has almost no power, a child vampire might find it difficult to maintain a child identity for the public, and might not be able to function very well in the world due to limitations set up to protect human children.
            As for how Benji and Sybelle are doing, just like me, you have to wait and see.

            ‘Loving mortals hurt?’ Yes, loving something and then having it die hurts. You don’t really have to ask that, do you?

            Hair bindings: Human hair has about the same tensile strength as a copper wire of the same thickness. Sure, a single copper wire as thin as a human hair would not be very strong. But wrap a braid of that wire into a rope and put it around someone such that they have no leverage, and suddenly it seems pretty serious. Now consider that the tensile strength of a vampire’s body; skin, hair, teeth included, all get stronger with age.
            Sure you can cut the individual strands just as you can stab a vampire through, but cutting is not the same as pulling. So you can see how it might be a formidable binding, even for a very powerful vampire, to have the braid of Maharet around you.

          • The Light's Bane June 9, 2014 at 5:18 am

            Yes I had to ask because I can only imagine vampires being amused at human ageing and suffering. Maybe it would be funny if it doesn’t concern you, I don’t know. How do you expect me to accurately imagine a state of being so different from my own? If I guessed I would fear projecting my humanness onto you.
            Claudia seemed like a sociopath to me, even to her own kind and those like Louis she claimed to love. Why did you think cutting off her head and sewing it back on another body would work? Obviously a child and a woman’s body are a different size. Was she conscious? You are one morbid rascal.

  • Reply A June 9, 2014 at 7:52 am

    Why did Armand think that cutting Claudia’s head off and applying it to a larger body would work? He didn’t know if it would work, but fortunately, he did not care either.
    Anne Rice’s vampires can have their heads replaced after decapitation and be revived, as shown with Marius and Mael, and the re-attaching of his head by putting the head nearby the neck, positioned somewhat closely, but not forced, and then applying strong blood. Armand never knew this trick to it, but even if he did, I doubt it would have succeeded since a five year old’s neck is much more narrow than that of a grown woman, even one that is petite.

    • Reply The Light's Bane June 10, 2014 at 5:05 pm

      That is the stuff death metal songs are made of. \m/ Why does Marius hate Mael?

      • Reply Carmen Dominique June 19, 2014 at 12:27 pm

        I suppose because he has the notion in his mind that all his failures through his long existence have been due to his vampirism, and that that is because of Mael.

    • Reply The Light's Bane June 12, 2014 at 3:12 pm

      “the Devil, which by the way does not exist” How can you be so sure? Do you consider Lestat your friend? What do you think of people who criticize the Vampire Chronicles and Anne Rice trying to change the Amazon reviewing system?

      • Reply A June 17, 2014 at 11:08 pm

        Re: Mael
        I think he did not hate him, in fact he saved his life and probably thinks of him fondly, but he seemed annoyed by his warlike and unpolished nature.
        Re: Devil
        It’s too simplistic. Something out there just to trick you, lure you into sin, something to blame for when things go bad, just as God is given credit when things go well. It’s humanity giving up all personal power to some outside force so there is no accountability, or bedtime stories, do this and be good or devils will come punish you. The Devil is a tool.
        Re: People criticizing Anne Rice’s work
        There are two kinds of criticism. The first may find a weakness and suggest alternatives, the second is just destructive abuse. People on the internet feel as if they have all this anonymity, that they can say whatever they want and there will be no repercussions, there’s nothing to hold back a nasty person from spewing their hatred or attacking someone. Hiding behind their keyboards, a bully is safe to be as mean as they want. Cowardly, really. But most bullies are cowards.
        In a perfect world, comments would come from thoughtful reflection, a wish to compliment or to assist, or even to provide humor. But some people have no courtesy, no respect, no thought as to another person’s feelings. There is a decline in society in general where courtesy seems to be fading.

        • Reply The Light's Bane June 20, 2014 at 7:06 am

          Seeing these right wing types use the buybull to justify treating vunerable people poorly makes me sick. The libertarian party’s slogan should be let the poor rot. It is sad how these nuts are able to hold everyone back and people actually support them. Makes me so pissed when people like my father vote right wing when these politicians are bad news for working class people like us. Have you seen any positive changes in humanity in today’s age or has it mostly gotten worse?

  • Reply The Light's Bane June 25, 2014 at 3:50 am

    “Even the gods of countless religions
    Hold no powers against this tide
    Of degeneration because we have now found
    That there are no thrones up there in the sky”
    – Twilight of the Gods, Bathory

  • Reply The Light's Bane July 10, 2014 at 11:35 am

    This probably is not the correct place to post this but I loved the part in The Vampire Armand when Sybelle has just been turned into a vampire and she is examining every flower with her vampire eyes. She seemed like a gentle soul.

  • Reply The Light's Bane July 13, 2014 at 6:17 am

    I just decided my goal in life is to do a melodic blackened death metal concept album inspired by the Vampire Chronicles.

    • Reply Carmen Dominique January 24, 2015 at 8:45 am

      I hope this is not tongue-in-cheek because, I would totally be a groupie.

  • Reply A July 25, 2014 at 10:14 am

    People are trying more these days to recognise, accept, and understand the complex diversity of humanity, to be less prejudiced, and provide equal opportunities and protection under the law for everyone.

    There has been some very good progress, but as Bianca pointed out, controversial thought seems to be encouraged and hated all at once.

    Free thought is essential in the progression of human welfare.

    • Reply Carmen Dominique July 25, 2014 at 10:20 am

      And the very concept of controversial thought has been turned around so many times that the controversial is considered everyday and the everyday considered to be quite the opposite. And just when one thinks one has a handle on the concept, the variables change again. It’s maddening.

    • Reply The Light's Bane August 2, 2014 at 9:48 am

      Armand come back this comment section is boring without you.

  • Reply The Light's Bane July 27, 2014 at 3:22 pm

    Must be fascinating to be a vampire and see the progression of human values, how different is the average human values today versus 2 centuries ago? Just think dead cultures we know little about like Gaul, some vampires would have first hand experience… so cool! Can I ask you some questions for school? 😉

    I don’t see what the value of vampires losing their human memories is as a species. A you said if a human is turned into a vampire when they are older they are more likely to keep their sense of morality but how is that so if you lose your memories of being human? Does Louis use computers?

    Whats considered controversial is interesting. Seems you can be controversial all you want until you challenge the status quo. It’s a paradox. There are certain lines people toe as controversial that are really only controversial to fringe idiots, like calling out creationists on evolution or those freaks that shoot abortion doctors. Everyone seems smart when “refuting” creationists if you can even call it that. It’s called The Thunderfoot Effect.

    As a metalhead I have seen how a race to be the most extreme reaches a peak and after that peak it stops being of value. This is why we have grindcore, a blind race to be the most “brutal” until it stops being about the music. It’s also why socialism in its original context meaning on the road to communism was oppressive. I think the criticisms of capitalism by Marx were valid even if his solution was not, I’m glad for it inspiring social democracy.

    What do you think is truly controversial these days? I think female masturbation definitely still is and female body hair too. Actually I think any expression that a woman is not a fuckhole or a fetus dispenser is controversial. The idea that prostitution is oppressive and not a profession is controversial to a lot of leftists. I just don’t see how anyone can think commercial rape is ethical.

    Sorry if my paragraph structure and grammar is bad. I am a high school drop out.

  • Reply The Light's Bane July 27, 2014 at 3:45 pm

    I just don’t see how you can see anything godly in human much less as God Itself. Humans are so flawed down to an evolutionary level, with evolution being all about trade offs. Childbirth is one of the clearest examples of this to me which why I would rather carve out my uterus with a rusty butcher’s knife than give birth. Not to mention all the diseases we barely understand, like Huntingtons. But maybe my failure to see it is part of the devaluing of human life which leads to all manner of oppression. Or maybe I’m just not psychic and I can’t see this Golden Light apparently inherent to humanity according to Vittorio.

  • Reply The Light's Bane August 1, 2014 at 4:44 am

    Hope none of the important characters die in the new book… David is my favourite nerd.

  • Reply Willow November 18, 2014 at 12:35 pm

    Marius is a Pain in my keester. BUT, he does make for an interesting article, and I find Blood and gold boring. HOWEVER, I liked the book as a whole, I enjoyed that you got to see Poor Daniel, even though he was a veggie… <3 da Daniel. And, nope nope nope I did not agree with Marius going to Maharet as he did EVEN IF, his reasoning were valid. He should have taken it up with Santino himself -nod- And I do like Marius, but he still is a Pain in my Keester, Mester.

    • Reply Carmen Dominique November 18, 2014 at 12:37 pm

      *giggles*
      …*ahem* I mean, No! He’s magnificent! How dare you say these things!
      *winks*

      • Reply Willow November 18, 2014 at 12:38 pm

        I have every Right to! Messes 😀 And you know dis. ^+^

        • Reply Carmen Dominique November 18, 2014 at 12:42 pm

          Noooooooooooooooooooooo! No, he’s wonderful! Beautiful and compassionate, and, and, and… Um…

  • Reply Kqarla November 22, 2014 at 8:48 pm

    It is this paternal and masterful nurturing character of Marius that made me put him on a pedestal of respect.

    Although, of course, he is not without flaws, these seeming imperfections and moments of misjudgments make him a well-rounded character. (And makes it easier for us to relate to him in a way that a “perfect” figure would not leave a lasting impact.)

    All in all, I still admire that there is a profund Master figure in Marius.

    And thank you for this post. Its clarity in describing Marius is intense. 🙂

    • Reply Carmen Dominique November 24, 2014 at 4:09 pm

      ^.^ I’m glad you liked it.

  • Reply The Light's Bane January 24, 2015 at 2:26 am

    Blood and Gold in da Hood- Fuk da police: I can draw flowers if I wanna!

    • Reply Carmen Dominique January 24, 2015 at 8:40 am

      LOL – I am not quite sure how to take that, other than picturing Marius with a backwards cap, bling, and oversized parachute material clothing.

    • Reply Kqarla March 5, 2015 at 4:18 pm

      Maybe what Marius really wants is a garden.

      He wants to paint every vacant street wall with flowers, so be it. 😛

      • Reply Carmen Dominique March 5, 2015 at 4:21 pm

        *smiles* There is a metaphor to this Marius and the Flowers thing that I don’t quite have yet.

        • Reply Kqarla March 9, 2015 at 7:09 pm

          Now that you mention it, I’ve become more intrigued. Something about Marius and flowers…..very interesting thought, Carmen! 🙂

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